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http://www.AsktheBuilder.com founder, Tim Carter, shares why modern hybridized lumber is inferior to old-growth timber. He shows examples.
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I I am um going to talk a little bit
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today about something that uh near and
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dear to my heart and I get I get a lot
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of questions about it
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and it's kind of the cause of a problem
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that everybody thinks something else is
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going on so I know that sounds confusing
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here's the best part I've got some
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really great visual aids to really show
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why modern Lumber today sucks all right
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so I'd say we get into
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it first of all remember if you like
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what you are hearing or seeing you know
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hit the like button um feel free to
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start a chat I'll do my best to answer
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the questions and comments of course
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help too all right you know that helps
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the algorithm the more people comment on
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videos
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um because they interpret that to think
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that people are really interested so
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comment a lot all
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right why modern Lumber sucks here's the
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here's the
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here's a little bit of History first
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understand that if you go way back in
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time uh I don't know let's go back to
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the late
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1800s when they would build homes uh
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here's here's what did not exist there
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was no such thing as plywood uh OSB did
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not exist there were no engineered
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Lumbers so all of the lumber that was
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used in home construction was solid
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dimensional Lumber so that would mean 2
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by material for the floor choice and
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wall studs roof Rafters and wall
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sheathing floor subflooring that was all
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like 1x6 tongue group uh material um and
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of course you know they had really nice
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Hardwoods to do finish
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flooring
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well so back when the country was young
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all right when the United States was
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young we still had a lot of old growth
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Timber around all right and some of this
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old growth Timber we're talking about
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trees that might be two three 400 years
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old all right and so so if you cut down
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a tree that's 200 years
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old in the you know when General Lee was
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offering his surrender to General
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Grant um and you wanted to grow a new
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one you know that's um it's going to be
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we're going to have to wait another 40
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years before that to mature all right I
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mean 200 years is a long
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time so what happened was is that that
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as America started to grow and as the
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demand for lumber started to increase
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right think about it they can't grow
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trees fast enough to satisfy the demand
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and anybody who was you know who who ran
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numbers at a lumber mill or who owned a
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Lumber Company a Timber Company you know
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they could do the math they knew how
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many trees they had in their Forest they
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knew how many they were cutting down a
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year they knew how long it would take to
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grow this is really a simple problem to
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solve so what happened is along the
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way in the
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1900s um probably 1940s 1930s you'd have
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you can look it up when was plywood uh
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when was plywood invented so plywood was
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the first step all right so
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plywood um was the first step to
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hybridize Lumber because plywood took
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out of well ply plywood Place were the
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1X sixes so plywood started to be used
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as sheathing on the outside of houses
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and for the subfloor all right so that
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solved one problem but but they
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continued we contined to grow as a
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nation and we continued to have a
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voracious appetite for Timber so not
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only could we use our Timber but we
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could import it like from Canada
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Canada's Got a lot all right so the
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bottom line is the timber companies just
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like they do with the food we eat which
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is not necessarily all good they started
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to hybridize trees and the scientists
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not Japanese scientists right these were
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American scientists they they decided
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that they had to figure out a way to
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make trees grow faster I know so here's
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here's what happened here's the result
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so here is a piece of hybridized lumber
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that is going to blow you away so this
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is a 4x6 all right so so look at this so
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this is where the
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the tree was was you know it came up as
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a Seedling this is year one year 2 year
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three year four year five year six so
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and as you go out here it's eight so
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this giant piece of Lumber in eight
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years it had grown from here to here all
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right
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so look at how big these light colored
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rings are and I'm going to explain that
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in a minute all right so let's talk
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actually let's just talk about that now
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and if you have questions feel free to
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ask them I'll do my best to answer hey
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Nick how you doing
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um the answer you've got a great
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question do you think we'll ever develop
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a replacement engineered material for
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natural wood that has similar properties
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and more importantly is equal in
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cost
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um well I don't think so that's kind of
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a loaded question we can talk about that
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later all right let's talk about this
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now so when a tree grows in in in the
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United States really anywhere in the
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world here's what happens so in this is
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typically think about this when you
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count how old a tree is what are you
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always doing you're always counting one
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or the other Rings you're not counting
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the light one and the dark one the light
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one and the dark one you count like the
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dark ones like you'll go one two 3
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4 five six 7 eight all right so that
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means that the light wood is grown in
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the same year as the dark wood this
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Lightwood is what we call Spring wood
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and that's exactly when it grows so when
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the the when this deciduous tree when
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the sap starts to come up it it mother
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nature knows what to do the sun's
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getting higher in the sky Spring's here
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it starts to grow and put on this
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lighter colored wood the thing is this
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lighter colored wood is not as strong
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and um in absorbs water very rapidly
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then when we get into summer when rains
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start to fall off the tree smart the
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tree knows that
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wow it's going to be winter soon so it
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starts to slow down and it puts on this
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dark band of wood it's called Summerwood
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all right this is what makes wood so
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hard to sand all right so so this is
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this is what makes a tree strong you
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have alternating bands of spring wood
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Summerwood Springwood Summerwood
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Springwood Summerwood all right so now
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let's look at an old growth piece of
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Timber this is a 2x4 stud that was sent
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I asked one of my newsletter uh I asked
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my newsletter list one day if you have
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any old Lum I would love to have it I'll
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pay for postage and I had a bunch of
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people send me things look at
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this all right look at this one so this
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you can't even tell where the center of
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the tree was but it was right about here
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where my finger is
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all right because you can see this
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semicircular curve here and so the
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center of the tree was about here so I
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would estimate that from here to here
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was about 9 years before I went live I
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counted these it's really hard for you
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to see them but from here to here is 29
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years and then the Rings get really
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tight from here to the end of the tree
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is probably another 20 rings 20 20 years
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it's crazy this is just a 2x4 not a 4x6
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so when the spring wood and the Summer
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Wood are about the same width it makes
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the wood more stable it makes it
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stronger and it makes it so it's less
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likely to to twist and warp and
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everything else the other thing
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is termites Carpenter an they do not
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like to eat the Summer Wood they they
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just go after the spring wood so
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typically old growth Timber was more
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insect resistant all right so that's why
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modern Lumber sucks all right it's
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because it's got way too much spring
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wood way too much and and that's why and
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plus add to this the fact that wood is
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hygroscopic okay so what does that mean
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it means that wood changes is that shape
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with relationship to the amount of
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moisture it has in it well guess what
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all of
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this all of this spring wood all right
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all of this light colored wood can
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absorb water like a sponge so that means
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wood that has a lot of spring wood it
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can just go expand contract expand
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contract and that's what causes a lot of
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the cracks in these newer homes or if
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you're putting up a groom Edition
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because that that
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that Lumber it's it has it's not stable
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enough yet so modern Lumber just sucks
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all right hi pppo how you doing uh
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thanks for the compliment uh how about
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Morningwood there there let's try to
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keep it decent here come on um hello
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Vanessa um anyway so Nick um I don't you
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know the trouble with engineered Lumber
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is it's it's it's always going to be
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engineered Lumber it first of all it's
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good here's what I don't like about
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engineered Lumber engineered Lumber it's
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totally dependent upon the glue that's
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used all right so if there's a problem
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with the
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glue you know there could be all kinds
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of problems because the people who make
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the glue are not necessarily the lumber
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companies uh if the glue is a bad batch
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uh you're going to have a bad batch of
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engineered Lumber you know whereas
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traditional Timbers um different species
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of wood have their own builtin
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strength factor for example Douglas fur
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is considered probably the strongest of
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all here in America uh Southern yellow
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pine is probably number two Southern
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yellow pine even though it's been
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hybridized it's a very strong it's a
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very strong piece of lumber and realize
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too that there are different grades all
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right so there's there's different
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grades of lumber uh Lumber that has
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fewer knots in it is stronger right so
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knots by default make Lumber weak so uh
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anyway um let's see here uh new to the
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shape but this seems very super well
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thanks very much uh Lucy uh Lumber is
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interesting it's a big industry um Brian
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uh let's see pressure treat Lumber
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doesn't last long so here's the thing
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about pressure treated lumber I'll
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probably do a separate live on that
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um I've got all kinds of columns on my
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as builder website about pressure
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treated lumber rotting um it's it's a
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big problem and what a lot of people
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don't realize is that there are it's
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first of all when it's made it's not all
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the same I think I have a column on my
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website if you look up pressure treated
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ratings uh in my search engine you'll
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come up with this column and I think
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there are 11 different grades of
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pressure treated lumber so you can go to
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Home Depot and typically buy one that's
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not meant for ground contact for example
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that's the kind of treated lumber we
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would use for a bottom plate on a wall
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like on a foundation where we don't
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expect it to really get wet and and then
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they have material that's meant to be
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outside then they have stuff that's
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meant to be buried then they have stuff
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that's meant to be peers for commercial
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work that has a lot of preservative in
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it so the reason you're seeing pressure
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treated lumber
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failures is
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because they might be using the wrong
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material in a particular application so
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that's if if I was called in as an
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expert witness on a case I I that's the
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first thing I would try to determine you
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know I would take a piece of the lumber
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uh send it to a testing lab and find out
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okay how much preservative did it really
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get so that's what's going on with that
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Colonel Sanders and the next person's
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going to say are you the Ralphie guy in
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the movie Christmas Story no I'm not but
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he's my brother no he's not uh Nick says
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in California they changed use uh now
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it's right exactly so
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don't get me started on don't don't make
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don't let's not go down that road about
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politics and all that and government
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regulations um all right um if you have
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any other questions I'd be more than
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happy to answer them uh but just
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understand the biggest reason uh modern
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Lumber sucks is because they've
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hybridized it and it grows too fast all
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right keep in mind uh you know if you're
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a tree hugger uh and you know I like the
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environment too I love the environment
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but understand that trees are just a
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crop trees are absolutely they're no
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different at all than corn or soybeans
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or
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tomatoes whatever um they um it just
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that it takes them a while longer to
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grow all right so you know you might
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Harvest a tree now every 15 to 20 years
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they might be doing it you know if
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they're just going to ship it up and
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turn it into OSB all right and the other
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thing about uh Lumber the lumber
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companies they typically plant multiple
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trees for every single one they cut down
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so if you hear these activists get all
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excited about trees being cut down you
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know it's the same old thing they don't
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have all the facts um the lumber
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companies aren't stupid they they know
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they need to grow more trees so they're
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planning more than they're cutting down
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simple as that
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um all right don't have a chicken coop
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uh I don't have one but some people down
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the street have one um but I'm not
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growing chickens a lot of work a lot of
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work we do have a lot of coyotes around
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here too so they would be uh you'd have
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to really watch them keep them in keep
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them locked up from the coyotes okay I'm
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going to be doing a lot more um live
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broadcasts uh got a lot of topics if
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there's something you want me to talk
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about just go to my website the ask and
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go to the ask Tim Page and just tell me
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say hey could you cover this or cover
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that love to do it um Prue chicken man I
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don't know nick uh Tim off topic but
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what happened to that house you're oh um
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that house that I was vlogging about um
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eventually it got closed in um they put
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locks on the doors and I was unable to
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have access uh PE it's it's been
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occupied now for about 18
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months
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um I guess the people in it are happy as
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clams uh they're probably unaware of all
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the
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mistakes um the build must not go onto
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YouTube he's never approached me uh so I
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it's it's just down the street for me
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it's only about uh 3/4 of a mile away
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from where I live so uh it just it was
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really a shame uh really a shame it was
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a really great example of
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um uh a builder who was not providing
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enough off you know oversight uh he he I
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don't know how often he stopped by and
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he also had a bunch of Subs that didn't
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care and that's a recipe for disaster
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all right
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so simple as that um all right you're
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welcome uh all right so thanks for
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tuning I'm trying to keep these things
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about 15 minutes I don't want to bore
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you I just want to kind of get into a
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topic and get back out once again if you
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have something you want me to talk about
16:22
or explore uh just go to my website
16:25
because there's no easy way to do it
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here unless you comment on this video
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after the fact fact I do read all
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comments I moderate them all uh go to my
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website askthe builder.com go to the ask
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Tim Page there's a simple form there
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just fill it out and tell me what you
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want me to cover I'll do my best uh
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William yeah sounds like there's a lot
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of them out there there's there's many
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more bad Builders out there
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unfortunately than good ones uh that we
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do have a couple of good ones here in
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New Hampshire the one this older guy is
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about my age he built my son's house uh
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three years ago best builder I've ever
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seen in New Hampshire best I'm telling
16:59
you just there's not there wasn't a flaw
17:02
in that house it was remarkable and but
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what was the difference I found out that
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the Builder was there every
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day he was on the job site and he stuck
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around for about 6 hours a day so he
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just B he babysat the subs and he was
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just watching them like a hawk so they
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wouldn't make a mistake or if they did
17:21
make a mistake he made him fix it right
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there
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um have you built any radios uh uh okay
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Jason I am a ham radio operator um I'm
17:33
an amateur extra so I've got the highest
17:35
level of privileges um I'm not a builder
17:38
I don't I'm not I I I've tried to build
17:41
a couple of small kits I'm just not
17:43
interested in it that much and I
17:47
um my I'm finding as I'm getting older
17:49
my eyes are not as good as they should
17:51
be or could be so sometimes it's a
17:55
little hard to really get a really you
17:57
know to accurately solder
17:59
those um you have to be really you have
18:02
to know what you're doing when you
18:03
solder these uh those circuit boards all
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right so it's just not my B book I don't
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I don't like building them uh my my real
18:11
passion is outdoor radio so I love to do
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uh you know I'm like the
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um you know back in World War II the
18:20
resistance uh you know they dropped a
18:22
bunch of par what they call paraset
18:24
radios paraset they Parish you know
18:26
parachuted them uh that's what they why
18:28
they were called parachutes these 40 m
18:31
radios they dropped into Enemy Lines and
18:35
um so the the French Resistance an
18:39
Italian or whoever would operate those
18:41
radios and um their life expectancy was
18:45
only six weeks all right because the
18:47
Germans they could they had direction
18:49
finders they could figure out where you
18:51
were so you had to get on the air
18:54
broadcast or I'm sorry transmit and then
18:57
you had to get off the air and get the
18:58
out of there um so I can when I go out
19:01
and do radio if you go to my blog I have
19:03
a really neat radio blog uh it's double
19:05
I can't type I'm sorry so simple you
19:08
know so the the website is my call sign
19:12
W3 a TB so go to W3 ATB there are
19:18
hundreds of stories there of uh Outdoor
19:21
Adventures that I've done and the
19:23
coolest thing is is I can be on the air
19:25
just like those old
19:27
spies and just a matter of minutes
19:30
because all I have to do is put a 29
19:32
foot wire up into a tree just hang it
19:35
just get I throw a water bottle up in
19:37
the air that's got a string on it and
19:39
then the water bottle goes over a branch
19:42
and then I just pull uh pull it up in
19:44
fact you if you want to see how it's
19:46
done I did a really pretty cool video
19:48
it's right here on YouTube go to go to
19:50
the YouTube search engine when we're
19:51
done here type antenna in tree and then
19:55
type my name antenna in tree Tim Carter
19:58
and you'll see this video I made that
19:59
shows you how to do it so you just need
20:01
a 29 ft wire you you you attach a 9 to
20:05
one unon uh underneath it to to get down
20:08
the impedance down to like 75 ohms and
20:12
then you connect it to your radio and
20:13
you're on the air so simple as that so
20:15
maybe I should do a uh live broadcast
20:18
about radio I don't know I maybe I don't
20:21
think that would interest many people
20:22
maybe it would we might do it all right
20:25
uh so anyway if you're not are you an OP
20:27
I don't know if you're an operator or
20:28
not J if not it's a really fun hobby
20:30
it's a really great hobby okay I'm going
20:33
to sign off here thanks very much for
20:35
watching so now you know why I model
20:36
number sucks and once again like the
20:40
video um comment whatever that really
20:42
helps get more viewers and it's going to
20:45
help us grow this this uh live
20:47
broadcasting all right thanks very much
20:49
I'm Tim Carter ask the Builder
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